Curse

kelike · Jul 09, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

o_O

Riceboi · Jul 09, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look!

guild wars- great game, fun, no grind

present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.

everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.

FOR THE WIN!!!

I know everyone hates /thread, but I don't care.

Tyla · Jul 09, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Grind used to be completely optional, but now it limits where you can go.

In order to join groups, you need to grind. That goes for PvE aswell now. No grind no groups, simple as.

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everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time.

I love the "Jealous" part in arguments like these, although you are right in a sense. If you want things, you need to give up time to earn it.

MarSgt Strongbow · Jul 09, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

"The Grind" is unfortunately a price people pay for titles and "prestigious" items. Myself i have maxed out some titles by grinding, but i didn't have to, and made my own choice to do it. But as a rule i don't grind, and don't enjoy it. If all things were easy to get none of it would be "prestigious", so if you want to stand out you gotta grind. I like my Ebon Vanguard Monument armor, and have no desire to get a more "elite" set.

Shadowspawn X · Jul 09, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Tyla

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.

I love the "Jealous" part in arguments like these, although you are right in a sense. If you want things, you need to give up time to earn it.

Hit the nail on the head. The object of the game is to do the missions and quests. Anything else is optional and is nothing to complain about. People who complain about optional activities are jealous and are the ones who don't complete anything in the game anyway, but have a problem with others completing titles or getting rewards. These same people are very activist about dumming the game down and trying to get rewards for minimal effort. There are many things in GW I don't have the time, skill or gold to accomplish but I wish those who are doing it and having fun the best.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jul 09, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Fleur De Lyss

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did i get all that right?

Evaine · Jul 09, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Maybe it’s simply time for all the players who have beat the game and are sick of the grind to find something new and more appealing instead of haunting this forum with their chronic complaints and negativity. All games get old after awhile.

IN GW, if you want a title then you better be prepared to grind for it. But you know what? Titles aren’t mandatory. Neither is grinding to fill a HoM with any of the requisite glitz or bling.

In 2005 when this game came out, I never knew it existed. I didn’t know about it in 2006 or most of 2007 either. I haven’t gotten bored with it yet, but when I do it will be time to move on to something else. It’s that simple.

Biostem · Jul 09, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Hit the nail on the head. The object of the game is to do the missions and quests. Anything else is optional and is nothing to complain about. People who complain about optional activities are jealous and are the ones who don't complete anything in the game anyway, but have a problem with others completing titles or getting rewards. These same people are very activist about dumming the game down and trying to get rewards for minimal effort. There are many things in GW I don't have the time, skill or gold to accomplish but I wish those who are doing it and having fun the best.

I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...

spin · Jul 09, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Fleur De Lyss

... by creating Chaos Gloves (if you have them - You have been girnd farming/you bought gold (from grind farmers))....

They're ugly (all special gloves are imho). No thanks.

And max armor = max armor. The rest is something you force yourself.

Ctb · Jul 09, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

The grind in Guild Wars is only problematic if you feel the need to excel at all facets of the game. The game itself, however, hasn't really changed much since it came out.

I think your problem is that you're complaining about the wrong thing. ANET didn't have any meaningful end game PvE content because the design called for PvP to be the end game content. So, instead of producing actual content, they slapped a lot of stupid titles and the HoM in so kids with no life have something to click until GW2 comes out.

If that bothers you, just quit playing once you've finished playing the actual game.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jul 09, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Biostem

I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...

well... for one rofl at rewards for rp-ing. how do you expect them to do that? having a well run guild/team has rewards: you get to be in a guild/team with competent people who know how to play gw decently. "shinies" were never intended to be for people who are good at gw. they're completely optional and open to anybody willing to put in the time to get them.

korcan · Jul 09, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Every mmo or corp has some degree of grind. Fortunately for Guildwars, most of the grind is optional.

Seriously though, if you don't want to grind, I'd look into other gaming genres.

Tyla · Jul 09, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Biostem

I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...

Agreed. The titles that are fully grind and have a benefit to your ability and skills are stupid. Regardless of if you are "jealous" or not, the point still stands. Jealousy can only be put into it when you've got someone who earned something that's hard to get and takes skill to do. Maybe having an accomplishment or feat they managed that you still can't or will probably never do. But in terms of grinding, jealousy isn't an argument, for or against.

Although the play for playing in the campaigns is in itself. The fun you get out of it is the reward.

CyberNigma · Jul 09, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

because what point is there to a game, if, after you beat the storylines, there is nothing to achieve? grinding adds shelf life, every single good game out there has it, some sort of challenge that takes time and skill.

Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all.

Well, technically, that's how the founders saw it (according to their interviews over the years). Beat and enjoy the story, put the game on the shelf, come back and dust it off in 6 months (original schedule I guess) and pick it up again when the next chapter comes out instead of keeping yourself tied to it. They realized too late people won't do that (especially if they add content in-between releases).

So, the point was - play the storylines and then quit till the next one came out.

again, only going by their interviews...

Destiny2097 · Jul 09, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

You've all missed the best part so far. Quoting from gw website:

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While Guild Wars 2 adds a persistent world, it retains the unique nature of the original game including a strong narrative, extensive instanced gameplay, an anti-grind design philosophy, and strong support for competitive play.

gw2 is gonna be fun

aapo · Jul 09, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Fleur De Lyss

Unless you're completely er.. dumb. You can't say Grinding isnt needed. Its not just farming its title capture also. We're all (most of us) trying to achieve more titles due to the HoM and most of them can't be done without grinding.

- Then why are you doing stupid grinding for the stupid Hall of Monuments to get some party hat at GW2?

Tyla · Jul 09, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Destiny2097

You've all missed the best part so far. Quoting from gw website:

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While Guild Wars 2 adds a persistent world, it retains the unique nature of the original game including a strong narrative, extensive instanced gameplay, an anti-grind design philosophy, and strong support for competitive play

gw2 is gonna be fun

I believe you didn't read the article properly.

It says that it retains an anti-grind design philosophy that it already threw away. Do you really believe that?

DarkNecrid · Jul 10, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

its more like anti-forced grind.

grind existed before titles too

aapo · Jul 10, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Tyla

In order to join groups, you need to grind. That goes for PvE aswell now. No grind no groups, simple as.

- I only take males with red hair and eyepatch into my groups, how do you like that huh? Now be a good boy and go reroll your character.

Seriously these arguments are so ****ing stupid. MAKE. YOUR. OWN. GROUP.

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Originally Posted by Biostem

I think the problem stems from what is rewarded and how you earn those rewards. The fact that there are grind-based rewards, but none for, say, rp-ing or playing well irks some people. Having a well run guild doesn't give you any shinies, nor does running a good team, but grinding does...

- How can you say that a well-run guild is not one of the greatest pleasures one can have in game? Do you want a badge for everything you do? Little piece of text to improve your weak self-esteem? Jesus these Americans are stupid.

Bowstring Badass · Jul 10, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Fleur De Lyss

Chaos Gloves (if you have them - You have been girnd farming/you bought gold (from grind farmers)).

Completely wrong. It isn't hard to farm ectos in the 1st place. And you can get chaos gloves without grind farming.

But PvE is a grind as it is suppose to be? Anyway go play PvP less of a grind unless your doing HA.

Edit: aapo makes the most sense. Besides I heard guilds did areas without ursan.